HAHAHA!!! Evil fails...

NickM

Member
The Viking360 macro controller is better than the Evil $1,000 master mod lmao.. and its 1/5 the price <.<
 

odingalt

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Amen. I feel sorry for every person who wastes their hard earned money on an Evil master mod.
 

Krier023

Useful Poster
I have never had an evil, but I used my friends, and it was about the same speed as the viking(legacy about 2 years ago) the only problem is I paid 150 for mine, he paid 250 for his. and when patches came out it was like another 30+shipping for him to get his working, and mine was 3 minutes plug and download. Evil is nowhere near viking, but they are the closest competition.
 

NickM

Member
The only thing that makes me sad about evil customers is that A: They spend way to much for shitty controllers, and B. They don't know what they are missing when they don't buy a viking. And in all due respects, EvilControllers IS the BIGGEST modded controller seller, infact they even got a clip of them on Fox news! But still they suck money nuts.
 

NYjetsNY1

Active Member
I wish someone would make a video of them just in a private match showing off their viking360 rapid-fire! I don't have MW2 on me, but maybe I'll get a video next week.
 

odingalt

Well-Known Member
Staff member
NickM said:
The only thing that makes me sad about evil customers is that A: They spend way to much for poop controllers, and B. They don't know what they are missing when they don't buy a viking. And in all due respects, EvilControllers IS the BIGGEST modded controller seller, infact they even got a clip of them on Fox news! But still they suck money nuts.

Advertising works... they spend $2 on the modchip, $10 in labor, and then spend another $70 advertising how 'Evil' their mod is.

Viking spends $50 on the modchip, $30 on the labor, $30 on the software that goes into their controllers and then $10 in advertising.

We're pretty much the complete opposite. However, who's the better business? Evil. Why? Because they make more money than we do. Business isn't about customer service or selling a superior value-packed product. If that were the case then Evil would be out of business. We overbuild our product and at the end of the day it's probably a bad business decision. We should be selling cheap-ass mods, close down the forums, close down the support ticket system and spend all that money we save on advertising and SEO - SEO that covers up searches in google such as "evil sucks" - with 'positive' links instead.
 

Directshot999

New Member
odingalt said:
NickM said:
The only thing that makes me sad about evil customers is that A: They spend way to much for poop controllers, and B. They don't know what they are missing when they don't buy a viking. And in all due respects, EvilControllers IS the BIGGEST modded controller seller, infact they even got a clip of them on Fox news! But still they suck money nuts.

Advertising works... they spend $2 on the modchip, $10 in labor, and then spend another $70 advertising how 'Evil' their mod is.

Viking spends $50 on the modchip, $30 on the labor, $30 on the software that goes into their controllers and then $10 in advertising.

We're pretty much the complete opposite. However, who's the better business? Evil. Why? Because they make more money than we do. Business isn't about customer service or selling a superior value-packed product. If that were the case then Evil would be out of business. We overbuild our product and at the end of the day it's probably a bad business decision. We should be selling cheap-ass mods, close down the forums, close down the support ticket system and spend all that money we save on advertising and SEO - SEO that covers up searches in google such as "evil sucks" - with 'positive' links instead.


Not in my mind. The better business is the business that shoots for the customers, not for the cash. As the CEO of Starbucks once said, "We are not in the coffee business serving people, we are in the people business serving coffee."


Why go to Evil when I feel more comfortable buying from Viking? The forums, support ticket system, the active help (like NYjets and yourself), that kind of thing was what made me shell out $200 for that controller.
 

obo

New Member
Odin, just a business question for you.

What are your thoughts on getting onto the first page of Google. How much have you noticed your business increase when you move up another slot on the google search? Currently viking is 2 slots away from the first search results page on Google. I feel like if Viking got to the first page, business would massively increase.

Would it be worth it to advertise a little more to get your Google slot up? Then once you get it up, pull back on advertising.

Just curious on your thoughts about this.
 

Directshot999

New Member
I will definitely post a few gameplay videos of my Viking when it comes in Monday. It seems like there's not enough videos up on YouTube, specifically of the shotgun jitter (that's what gets people to say "WOW!").
 

odingalt

Well-Known Member
Staff member
obo said:
Odin, just a business question for you.

What are your thoughts on getting onto the first page of Google. How much have you noticed your business increase when you move up another slot on the google search? Currently viking is 2 slots away from the first search results page on Google. I feel like if Viking got to the first page, business would massively increase.

Would it be worth it to advertise a little more to get your Google slot up? Then once you get it up, pull back on advertising.

Just curious on your thoughts about this.

We've done a little work to move up the ranks, we're on page 2 and even at the bottom of page 1 of some of the keyword search terms. This is with a very modest monthly SEO budget (couple hundred dollars).

To stay on page 1 consistently on an array of keyword terms would probably cost a couple thousand a month, and then you really need to start to look at what is called 'blackhat SEO', or in other terms, having an entire staff of people working on making a 'fake internet' to boost your rank with google. Fake blog posts, fake review sites, etc etc. Of course the fake sites have to look legitimate or else google gets wise. Evil absolutely has a top-notch blackhat SEO firm working for them.

Our marketing firm has explained that you really need to be 'above the fold' (above where you don't have to scroll down) which means search return #1, #2 or #3. I think something like 95%+ of hits go to the first three sites on any keyword search. Something like 50%+ go to the first page. In order to get into the top three spots, we would be looking at launching a massive multi-thousand dollar blackhat SEO campaign.

In other words, we'd be back to the system I described above where we'd have to start selling you cheaper mods with no support in order to save up enough cash, to dump into a blackhat SEO campaign, to boost sales, etc. Again, the guys at Evil are great marketers which is business 101. I think it's a group of frat guys who went to school together for business and marketing that run the site.

I went to school to be an engineer, and so did my wife. So i guess we just focus on what we do best and keep relying on that Viking360 word-of-mouth. Which is why I get really offended when customers come in here and trash our product - especially when they only paid $40 for a DIY kit or that "Steve" guy that came by and trashed us after he paid only $119 for a Thor's Hammer. Dammit, I know Viking360 has room for improvement, but we are seriously light years ahead of the other mod companies.

Our problem right now is price and I'm working behind the scenes to get that lowered by the next holiday season this Fall. But then again, I wonder if price is really our problem if people are seriously paying $300 for a master mod then maybe the problem is exposure. Hard to tell. I figure Viking is probably at best only 5% of the rapidfire market? Just based on the amount of traffic we generate at our site vs. the amount of traffic that is generated at our main competition: evil controllers, gamermodz, gamingmodz, rapidmodz, silentmodz, einsteinmods, lightnincontrollers and all the other 'johnny come lately' sites that have popped up.

I'm just really surprised we don't have more market share just based on our macro software!!! What that tells me is that Viking360 customers are a superior breed that are smart enough to recognize the best when they see it. Everyone else are just sheep following the herd. So for those of you who found us, cheers!
 

obo

New Member
On the subject of the whole word of mouth issue. If you look over at places like se7ensins or thetechgame, or any of the major gaming forums, if anybody ever asks about the best modded controller, viking controllers always comes up. The people that say viking is the best come armed with facts and proof why. All the other posts are little 12 year old kids who just "followed the herd" saying how their evil controller is so awesome.

I feel like people who actually research modded controllers eventually come here. I looked for weeks/months before I found viking. And at that point i was only looking for a simple rapidfire controller. I eventually did a send-in with fredrow for the hammer, because it was the same price as buying a new tyr's hand from here. Then some things broke in it, so I sent it back to Fredrow with some extra cash to get it fixed up and have him turn it into a raven. I will never regret that decision.

It's sad that so many people just have their parents shell out 100$-200$ for them to get some crappy controller off of the first site that comes up on google. I've probably sent about 4-5 people here that have bought the new macro controller just because I let them know pretty much everything about it, and they love it. Call of Duty is the best for advertising in my opinion. When you jitter some kid for the last kill in search and destroy, well, people notice and ask questions. After all, what would compel you to get a modded controller more than having some kid constantly ripping on you with his.
 
Directshot999 said:
I will definitely post a few gameplay videos of my Viking when it comes in Monday. It seems like there's not enough videos up on YouTube, specifically of the shotgun jitter (that's what gets people to say "WOW!").

Speaking of the shotgun im uploading 1 soon of it spaz 12 gold jitter viking360 black ops red skulls thats all you need to know
 

NYjetsNY1

Active Member
jayjoes said:
Directshot999 said:
I will definitely post a few gameplay videos of my Viking when it comes in Monday. It seems like there's not enough videos up on YouTube, specifically of the shotgun jitter (that's what gets people to say "WOW!").

well Im making quite a few videos my self right now on youtube of the viking in action on black ops not to mention comparing speeds with my viking controller to guys like evil controllers promodz you get the idea so hopefully should have up on my youtube channel about 40 to 50! videos of the viking controller/ slash comparing speeds agin blah blah with all the other modding firms out there then when all that is done hopefully I shall show them all that viking is 1#. :D P.S would not mind being sponsored odin??? :)


Lol, thanks for the hard work and time on youtube but no sponsorships lol! Make sure you get some of the turbo knife ;)
 
Dont Really care about that sponsorship thing anyway lol :D But ya im trying my hardest to make the best rapid fire/jitter and turbo knife videos i possibly can right now. with each week comes a better more edited video comes along on my youtube channel its a shame they take 4/hours just to render the bloody thing though :evil: then post it on youtube and if i make any mistakes 1 of which you told me I Spell out macro wronge and said marco in one of my vids should be fixing that tomorrow :cry: lol 4/hours later done but yeah I just wanna support viking as much as i can right now cause i just feel as if I owe them somthing for making the best modded controller know to mankind :cool:
 

NYjetsNY1

Active Member
jayjoes said:
Dont Really care about that sponsorship thing anyway lol :D But ya im trying my hardest to make the best rapid fire/jitter and turbo knife videos i possibly can right now. with each week comes a better more edited video comes along on my youtube channel its a shame they take 4/hours just to render the bloody thing though :evil: then post it on youtube and if i make any mistakes 1 of which you told me I Spell out macro wronge and said marco in one of my vids should be fixing that tomorrow :cry: lol 4/hours later done but yeah I just wanna support viking as much as i can right now cause i just feel as if I owe them somthing for making the best modded controller know to mankind :cool:

Lol awesome!
 
NYjetsNY1 said:
jayjoes said:
Dont Really care about that sponsorship thing anyway lol :D But ya im trying my hardest to make the best rapid fire/jitter and turbo knife videos i possibly can right now. with each week comes a better more edited video comes along on my youtube channel its a shame they take 4/hours just to render the bloody thing though :evil: then post it on youtube and if i make any mistakes 1 of which you told me I Spell out macro wronge and said marco in one of my vids should be fixing that tomorrow :cry: lol 4/hours later done but yeah I just wanna support viking as much as i can right now cause i just feel as if I owe them somthing for making the best modded controller know to mankind :cool:

Lol awesome!
Iknow the funny thing is that I have to edit them all again to add new tiltles pictures you know stuff like that and thats gonna take a whole week! plus uploading them :twisted: :cry:
 
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