i want to thank all of you who took the time to answer my questions......I have been on the new site and wish I could get one sooner then Oct. 1 so I did take a couple of your advice and sent an email to E.S.E. and asked if they can possibly get me one sooner......I'm really want a Viking but will take the older Raven Model....By the way you guys took the time to help me I can see that this is a company that cares.....I will be getting one of the Vikings for myself as soon as I can ......Thanks again for helping me get my awesome son the best modded controller on the market.....I' m glad i spent the days I did viewing the hundreds of youtube videos and visiting all the sites I did......I hope Viking 360 has a long and prosperous career....I will be sure to let all the serious gamers I know about your company.......This new Viking is Sick,beast,whacked,innovative and will obviously be the hit it should be......Good job and thanks again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BrazilianNUTZ and son BRAZILIAN910